Mark Zuckerberg on Long-Term Strategy

Mark Zuckerberg, the visionary founder of Meta, shares insights about long-term strategy and the future of the metaverse. He discusses his experience in fencing and how literature, especially science fiction, shapes technological understanding. Zuckerberg also tackles the engineering challenges of virtual reality, focusing on motion sickness and user comfort. Additionally, he reflects on partnership dynamics in tech and his parenting philosophy, emphasizing family values and community service. Tune in for a deep dive into innovation and personal growth!

Highlights

• Are There Any Social Shifts?
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  One big shift that i think is happening is the rise of distributed work. There's just a lot of research that shows that people's opportunities, social economic and otherwise, are generally pretty anchored physically where they are. And increasingly, i think people will use these technologies to be able to be present in places that they physically can't be. I don't tink, we're doing this podcast and we're not siting next to each other physically, but it lik feels like we're here and where we're kind of having a live conversation. In the future, and it may be no five years from now, if we were doing this, avea our glasses and a halogram version
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  Speaker 2
  Forward to. Are there any societal shifts or changes, not necessarily catalyzed by meta, but just that you see coming or plausibly coming that you guys are trying to get ahead of or think about just In terms of mitigating problems later? Is there is there anything that comes to mind?
  Speaker 1
  I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're getting at, but one big shift that I think is happening is the rise of distributed work. I don't know if you've had as a problem, I think it's good. There's just a lot of research that shows that people's opportunities, social, economic, and otherwise are generally pretty anchored to physically where they are. And I think sometimes people draw this juxtaposition of say, okay, there's the digital world and the real world. That's not actually how I think about it. I think that there's a physical world and a digital world. And the real world is actually both. And increasingly, I think people will use these technologies to be able to be present in places that they physically can't be. And I think that that's really powerful. It's like, we're doing this podcast and we're not sitting next to each other physically, but it feels like we're here and we're kind of having a live conversation in the future. Maybe five years from now, if we were doing this, we'll have AR glasses and hologram version of me will be on the couch next to you. And I Time 0:42:15

• The Future of Virtual Reality
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  I don't feel that is a problem. There's just a lot of research that shows that people's opportunities, social economic and otherwise, are generally pretty anchored physically where they are. But i think through things like virtual and augmented reality, when you cank have an office and some one can be walking through it as a hologram,  that will be even better than what we're doing right now.
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  Speaker 1
  If this is exactly what you're getting at, but one big shift that I think is happening is the rise of distributed work. I don't know if you've had as a problem, I think it's good. There's just a lot of research that shows that people's opportunities, social, economic, and otherwise are generally pretty anchored to physically where they are. And I think sometimes people draw this juxtaposition of say, okay, there's the digital world and the real world. That's not actually how I think about it. I think that there's a physical world and a digital world. And the real world is actually both. And increasingly, I think people will use these technologies to be able to be present in places that they physically can't be. And I think that that's really powerful. It's like, we're doing this podcast and we're not sitting next to each other physically, but it feels like we're here and we're kind of having a live conversation in the future. Maybe five years from now, if we were doing this, we'll have AR glasses and hologram version of me will be on the couch next to you. And I think that that will be even better than what we're doing right now. So I think that through video chat, you can have moments where you feel present. But I think through things like virtual and augmented reality, when you can have an office and someone can be walking through it as a hologram, Time 0:42:34

• The Six Values That We Just rolled Out
  Summary:
  "I've always basely believed that values were only useful if you can legitimately agree with them," he says. "You can't just tell people to move fast... The question is, like, what's the deal? Like, what are you woulde you willing to give up?" Apple used to tolerate some bugs in its soft ware so it could ship code every day and learn from customers' feedback.
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  Speaker 1
  You know, some of them we kept, but we're just changing how we execute them. So one thing that I think our company is pretty well known for is having the value of move fast. I've always basically believed that values are only useful if you can legitimately disagree with them. I always thought like values like be honest are not that helpful, because like, of course, you have to be honest, right? It's like, I feel bad even needing to write that down. If you have to write that down, then something kind of went wrong. But I don't know any good company that doesn't focus on honesty or demand that of their employees. So from my perspective, that's not like a useful, if you only get to write down like five or six concepts to program into your culture, you want them to be things that good companies can Reasonably do differently. And I think part of this is that good values, you need to be able to give something up in order to get them. So around move fast, we've always had this question. It's like, you can't just tell people to move fast. The question is like, what's the deal? Like, what are you willing to give up? And famously, it used to be move fast and break things. And the idea was that we tolerated some amount of bugs in the software in order to be encouraged people to move quickly. Because moving fast, I think is the key to learning. So if you want to increase the iteration cycle, so you can get feedback from the people you serve quickly, and then incorporate that into the product. So we would literally get into situations where competitors of us would ship once a year, once every six months and we'd ship code every day, of course, we're going to learn faster and We're going to build something better if you're shipping something every day. So the question is, what are you willing to give up? So it used to be, we would tolerate some amount of defects in the product. It got to Time 0:45:35

• What Challenges Do You Foresee Coming Up?
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  If you really can't stop people from expressing things, then how are you going to fight against terrorism or child exploitation? So really removing the ability for any kind of moderation at all in a broader platform is problematic. I think it, i semeing like messaging. But it' its sort of this distinction between the living room and the town square. Ret if you're in in a space that's a broader space, then there there is a little more need to make sure that things conform to the values that society wants.
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  Speaker 1
  One that you just mentioned is, is I think a really fundamental one. I mean, at some level, you can make things censorship resistant, which has a bunch of equities. And there's certainly a lot of people who feel like their expression is restricted online more than they would like. But that also prevents if you really can't stop people from expressing things, then how are you going to fight against terrorism or child exploitation or things that people think are Really awful, even the people who generally want more stuff to be allowed online. So really removing the ability for anyone to do any kind of moderation at all in a broader platform, I think is problematic. I think in something like messaging, we don't expect the people who run our messaging platforms, whether it's us or Apple or whoever to go kind of moderate a message that you send in private. But it's sort of this distinction between the living room and the town square. If you're in a space that's a broader space, then I think that there is a little more need to make sure that things conform to the values that society wants and reducing things that are Just really, that I think everyone agrees are bad, like terrorism and child exploitation and bullying and things like that. Time 0:58:52

• The Way of the Warrior Kidwi
  Summary:
  i know jocko very well. So this book was recommended to me by toby lutget, the founder in so of shop if i. The girls love it. And now they've started training jugits andan, theyr like. It's super fun. Yonw having stuff that we do, that we do together every day. We have this routine that max calls the good night things,. Every night we go through what are the things that are most important in life.
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  Speaker 1
  Know him too?
  Speaker 2
  He so Chaco's first ever long form public interviews on this podcast. There you go. And yeah, so I know Chaco very well.
  Speaker 1
  So this book was recommended to me by Toby Lutege, the founder and CEO of Shopify. And the girls love it. And now they've started training jujitsu. And they're like, so this is the stuff, you know, it takes on a life of its own. It's super fun. Yeah. Having stuff that we do that we do together every day. And then I always wrap up the day with them. We have this routine that Max calls the good night things, which is basically every night we go through. I'm like, all right, what do the things that are most important in life and their health, loving family and friends, and something you're excited about? And like, what did you do to help someone today? And we basically go through each of these things. And it's like, all right, so health, it's like, well, what did you do to like make yourself stronger or more fit today? If you get hurt, Max broke her legs skiing once, let's go through the parts of your body that like still work and that you're going to like be able to use while you're recovering. And it's like, okay, loving family and friends, let's go through, you know, something that you did today with a person who is meaningful to you. And then I think something you're excited about is, and this is actually this is like my philosophy on life. Time 1:16:49